Netflix "Unknown Number"

[00:00:17] Speaker A: The Combing through the Crime with Lori and Ashley, where true crime meets the beauty industry. [00:00:22] Speaker B: We're pulling back the salon cape to uncover the real stories of fraud, theft, scandal, and sometimes even worse. All happening behind the scenes of salons, spas, and beauty businesses. [00:00:35] Speaker A: These are true stories reported in public articles, news outlets, and police reports. We didn't make them up, and they're definitely not our opinions. [00:00:44] Speaker B: We're just here to share the facts, ask the questions, and reveal what really happens behind the chair. [00:00:50] Speaker A: Now let's comb through the crime. [00:01:08] Speaker B: Seeing the dad find out about it in real time was like, wow, this is crazy. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Well, they're not together. Even the daughter. Even the daughter was saying at the end, like, she forgives her mom. And like, all those things. Like, that is such a hard age. The brain's not developed yet. She feels a relationship and attachment to her mom. That's her mom. [00:01:36] Speaker B: Right. [00:01:36] Speaker A: I think later on in life, she's gonna have a hard awakening. [00:01:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Especially when she has kids. [00:01:44] Speaker A: She's gonna go through a lot of resentment feelings. She's definitely gonna need some therapy even. [00:01:50] Speaker B: Remember what the name of that Netflix. [00:01:53] Speaker A: I was just thinking the something daughter or the. [00:01:59] Speaker B: Oh, gosh, getting this one confused with the one with the neighbor. Did you see that one? Like, we were eyes. Bawling my eyes out. [00:02:09] Speaker A: I. The one with that specifically this woman one. She's got childhood traumas for sure because her sister also recently got arrested for something else. And then some family trauma stuff came out around it. I don't remember all the details. Whoa. But this woman, didn't she move in like this? Will all of these neighbors. The neighborhood. Community was already there before she moved in, so wouldn't you think that she would have, like, scoped the neighborhood, noticed that there's a bunch of children, and if she doesn't like children, maybe don't live there or move because literally she was. She was so set on, like, revenge or, like, to get these people in trouble, which never worked. And then what happened is she. She wanted peace and quiet was really what she wanted. She wanted peace. Well, guess what? You're never getting that again. [00:03:10] Speaker B: No, absolutely not. And the fact that she just felt like she was basically like the unknown number. Yeah, no number. He basically the whole time was like, shocked that the police were not on her side. [00:03:29] Speaker A: I think she was faking, Like, I don't think she was ever really. [00:03:33] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:03:34] Speaker A: I think she. She. I think she was a big fat liar, honestly. I think she just lied about everything. [00:03:40] Speaker B: The fact that the Door was closed, locked, bolted, and you felt like you were being attacked. Yeah. [00:03:51] Speaker A: Unknown number about this mother. [00:03:54] Speaker B: Let's go. Let's. I. When you started watching it, the unknown number, did. Did you automatically think like something. When we get to the end, it's going to be someone shocking? Like what it was. [00:04:14] Speaker A: I think that there was something seriously. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Wrong with the mother. [00:04:18] Speaker A: Probably childhood traumas. I think everything goes back to childhood traumas. I think something was wrong with the mother. [00:04:26] Speaker B: I actually, I think that she said she brought. That she did bring that up. [00:04:35] Speaker A: For that, that she did, but she definitely did. And also, I think it was a sense of like, in some weird sick way she thought she was like protecting her daughter, but really she was like hurting her. [00:04:50] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a name for that. Munch hours. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes, yes. You know what I'm talking about. Yes, that. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Yeah, we're not saying it right, but that's, that's the word. And it brings me back to that. What was her name? Gypsy. [00:05:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:05:12] Speaker B: It makes me think of that mom because that mom did basically the same thing, except in a different way. Like she made her child sick so she could take care of her and that she'd be like the only person that she could rely on in this whole thing. And I just can't, I can't wrap my head around it, especially as, as a mom. [00:05:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And she wasn't physically making her health sick, this mom, but she was making her mentally unstable because she was getting these threats and she couldn't figure out where it was coming from. And, and it made the daughter run back to the mom. So the mom was feeling needed. She, you know, she was, she was self serving herself by hurting her daughter terribly. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Terribly. I mean that. So if, if you don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about. Unknown Number Netflix documentary. It is all about this small town high school. Everybody, I mean, think of small town, everybody knows everybody, the parents, the kids, the people that work in the town is super small. And then there's this thing that starts happening where they're getting. Their kids are getting bullied essentially through these like, text message. Constantly all these text messages start coming in and her, this woman's daughter was involved, was one of the kids that were involved. The daughter's boyfriend was involved. It ended ultimately ended up breaking them up. It ended up the kids were turning on each other. You know, going to high school, going to school was like really hard for the, for these kids. No one Knew who to trust. No one know knew where it was coming from. People were. Kids were getting blamed left and right. The cops were involved, the sheriffs were come to school, sit them down, basically interrogate them. Um, you know, all of this stuff was happening. Imagine going through all of that and in the end finding out that it was one of the parents causing that. [00:07:29] Speaker A: Yeah, there was a lot of surprise from the boyfriend's mom because the two moms together were like, trying to figure this out and figure out where it was coming from. And it was her, you know, she was. She was doing that. And high school is already hard enough. [00:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that. That's the thing. Like, oh, my God. Oh, I. And high school so hard and you don't already know who to trust. I feel like, you know, because I guess. I don't know. Friendships are basically as the wind blows. I believe in high school. And then you get out of high school and you either come out with one really great friend or. Or you don't, and you form friendships that are meaningful and. And more sustainable later in the future. What is different, and correct me if I'm wrong about this situation, is it was such a small town that they really grew up together and they were all friends and family, like, kind of, you know, friends become family, and the parents started forming this. This bond too. So to your point, of course you're going to rely on. We're going through this together, you know, me and you as a parent, and let's figure this out together. Meanwhile, the other woman is causing all of this drama. How did they. I can't remember. How did they start going in the direction of her? I forget. [00:09:02] Speaker A: That's what I would. Well, I'm trying to remember what was her M.O. like, what was her motive? Like, why did she even start doing in the beginning? Was it the relationship with her boyfriend? Was she jealous that she had a boyfriend? I can't remember. Like, why did she even start this? [00:09:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. I think it was that. And I think the fact that she was getting older and she was. She does talk about the drama between her and her mom so that she didn't want to. To whatever happened to her to happen to her daughter. And it. I believe it. It had something to do with maybe like rape or inappropriateness, something. And then she starts, like, her daughter is the age that it happened to her. So she starts now almost acting like. Well, she is acting like a childlike person and trying to break it up and pull her away from the boyfriend was ultimately, I believe, the beginning of everything. And then it really got out of control. And seeing the dad find out about it in real time was like, wow, this is crazy. [00:10:20] Speaker A: Well, they're not together. Even the daughter. Even the daughter was saying at the end, like, she forgives her mom. And like, all those things, like, that is such a hard age. The brain's not developed yet. She feels a relationship and attachment to her mom. That's her mom. [00:10:41] Speaker B: Right. [00:10:42] Speaker A: I think later on in life she's gonna have a hard awakening. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Especially when she has kids. [00:10:50] Speaker A: She's gonna go through a lot of resentment feelings. She's definitely gonna need some therapy, which, you know, most of us all do anyways. But she definitely is going to need some therapy to work that out, because although she can and she probably will forgive her mom at some point later, she definitely, I don't think, has processed what happened. [00:11:15] Speaker B: Well, I don't think so either because even in the moment of finding out, she was still like, you know, hugging her. And, you know, it was. It was definitely. It was definitely eye opening to me to watch that, because it is so. You're. You're so right. Like, there's. There's some sort of bond. Even if it's not a healthy relationship, there's still a bond between a mother and a child. And. And it can be really unhealthy and not, you know, not really good for the mental. Your mental state. Regardless, you're still going to almost like, forgive the little things or the big things, you know, or little things that lead up to big things. [00:12:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:03] Speaker B: And you. You can see how that can happen. [00:12:07] Speaker A: Okay, so I just looked this up because to your question, we cannot remember. How did they pinpoint the mom? So they found out that the. The text messages that she was getting were coming from an unknown or disguised number. The local law enforcement were hitting dead ends, which we saw. So they called in the FBI cyber crimes unit. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Okay. [00:12:32] Speaker A: And then with that, they got like a trail trail, if you will. And so they discovered that these messages, or some of them, were coming through an app called Pinger, which will mask the actual phone number that it's going through and it'll create a different number. And so they did a search warrant, and they did. They subpoenaed the app company for the records, and then they found out that it was coming back through the app that is. Comes back to the mom's phone. [00:13:02] Speaker B: Wow. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Which is terrible. I know. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Absolutely terrible. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Was she an only child? I don't remember. Was she. She have a brother or sister? She was an only child. [00:13:13] Speaker B: And I can't remember. [00:13:13] Speaker A: I feel like the. [00:13:14] Speaker B: The dad and the mom are not together. They were not together. They were. I don't know, call him and he came home from work or something. [00:13:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:26] Speaker B: I can't remember if they were together or not. Yeah. So when they. When they sat down, the mom, and we're. We're interviewing her after the fact, we found out that it was the mom. I believe that's when she started opening up about her childhood. [00:13:41] Speaker A: They're not together, mom and dad. But it wasn't until after. It's saying that following the reveal that the mom was the one cyberbullying the daughter. Sean, the dad divorced her. So. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [00:13:55] Speaker A: They were together leading up until the point where he realized that he was the one or she was the one dying their child. [00:14:04] Speaker B: And he like, ends up calling her parents to come pick her up. And like, he's like, you can't be here. You can't stay here. [00:14:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:12] Speaker B: I don't blame. [00:14:14] Speaker A: Good for him. [00:14:15] Speaker B: Good for him. Yeah. [00:14:16] Speaker A: It was. There's somewhere saying that the mom is now barred from seeing the daughter after she got out of prison, that she was not allowed to see her daughter. So I'm sure something will come out. Yeah, sure. Because that was that. Although we all just watched it on Netflix, it really happened in 2024 where she got out. So some things are probably in motion. But it'd be curious, you know, how they do end up resolving or don't. Resolving the situation. But I think with her being the only daughter, what I was kind of saying about the mom, like, feeling like she's protecting her daughter or like doing this to keep her close. [00:14:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:56] Speaker A: Being an only child, I feel like it amplified it because she had no other children to like put that attention to, that she wanted her just for herself. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:15:08] Speaker A: I wonder if the mom had any underlying mental conditions. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Has to be. I mean, for you, for you. For us to sit here and think like, about her being able to even say any of that. Like, you have to be really sick to justify that in your head. [00:15:31] Speaker A: I mean, you got to be sick to do it to any person ever. [00:15:37] Speaker B: Any person ever. Yeah. [00:15:38] Speaker A: To do it to your own child and watch. To like she's watching her daughter in real life going through that hurt and that emotion and that feeling. [00:15:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:49] Speaker A: And she's creating that pain and she's. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:54] Speaker A: It's so much more twisted than just doing it anyways. [00:16:00] Speaker B: Yeah. She affected so many of those kids lives. Her daughter obviously being the ultimate. But, you know, so many of those, those kids were affected by that. And I just, my heart goes out to them because that's really detrimental, like to what you said at high school. Such a moldable time in your life. Like you're just really starting to form adult. Like, you know, what is that? What does my future look like? What is. Who am I? I don't know. You know, sometimes you don't even know what you believe or what you want to believe. You know, you're just figuring all these things out. Nothing really makes sense. And then to have that on top of it just, I mean, and the things that she said, terrible trouble. [00:16:51] Speaker A: Imagine if this girl went through with any of the things that her mom was texting to her. [00:16:58] Speaker B: Exactly. I just listened to a podcast the other day about, I, I think it was like 2020 or one of the ones. And it was about this couple. They're young, in high school, and they have a long distance relationship. He had some depression things. She would talk to him, you know, all this over text, and eventually he wants to end his life or says it. She is encouraging him. [00:17:28] Speaker A: Oh, yes, I know exactly which one you're talking about. [00:17:31] Speaker B: You know which one I'm talking about. [00:17:32] Speaker A: Yes. [00:17:33] Speaker B: So she's like encouraging this. [00:17:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:37] Speaker B: And ultimately leads to him committing. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And she did get charged. She did, right? Yeah, she did. She got charged because she encouraged it. [00:17:49] Speaker B: Wait, she got charged because he got out of his car and said that? [00:17:57] Speaker A: Yeah, he was like in a parking lot. [00:17:59] Speaker B: In a parking lot. Yep, exactly. So he gets out of the. Out of the truck, texted her and says, I can't go through with this. And she says to get back in. [00:18:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:10] Speaker B: Oh, so. So I was like, good for you, judge, because hello. That. [00:18:17] Speaker A: That is terrible. [00:18:19] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, it ultimately obvious. They kept saying it's his. It was his decision. Okay. To back to high school. Okay. Back to high school this morning. This is a prime example. My daughter's not in high school yet. The prime example. She has a friend group and. And they all are deciding on if they're dressing up to go to school or not today. One says yes, one says no. Then another girl says no. Well, now the one that says yes doesn't want to do it anymore. So no one's dressing up today. So she said, I'm at the gym and I'm working out. And she sends me this screenshot of the conversation. Well, what should I do? And I'm like, you do whatever you want to do. You do what you want to do. Either way, the decision is. Is right. Because it was your decision. So my point is that is the way things are in their minds constantly. [00:19:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:16] Speaker B: They're so influenced and it doesn't end until you're out of school, until you're out of school in college. It really doesn't end. So the fact that they were even considering. Well, it was his decision. No, it's. At the end of the day, they're so influenced in no matter what they're doing that it's wrong. It's so wrong. [00:19:42] Speaker A: Yeah. People want to be in, they want to be included, they want to fit in, they're afraid of standing out. And especially at that age, everything impacts your decisions. And that person who told her to get back in the truck, like again, something is just not clicking up in that brain to like tell somebody, oh, go ahead and you know, do this and where like that guilt, the guilt that you should be feeling for, you know. Yeah. Should be feeling for something like that is insane. [00:20:19] Speaker B: Good word. Yeah. Because wasn't there. She had. No. No guilt. [00:20:27] Speaker A: No. And I think how we adjust to this age group in this time, because this time with technology just amplifies all of these things. When I was in high school, we didn't have Snapchat, we didn't have Facebook, Instagram or any of the other TikTok or any of the other apps where the things that you do or say, you know, are magnified a hundred times for everybody to see. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep, yep. [00:21:00] Speaker A: Yeah. You know about the girl, the, the catfish mom who, when she knows like she's been through high school, she's been through that age when things are already hard and she just made it worse self serving what she thought she needed. Terrible. [00:21:22] Speaker B: I, I don't even. Absolutely terrible. I, I think that this, we had to discuss it because it's definitely something that was mind blowing to me. I know it was for you and it's, it's just a shame. I also think that we talk about a lot of things that happen in the beauty industry. I mean just, just the fact that everyone comes in and they spill everything to you. You know, imagine like hearing some sort of sad story like that, you know, like you have a high school client that's like going through this really tough time. You know, it's just, it's really sad to think about. To your point, everything is on social media. Everything is so influenced in their minds right now. And like texting and that's the only way people talk. I don't know how you get away from it. I really don't. And hopefully we Start. We start telling more of these stories to get people to be more aware of. It's just not okay, bullying, telling people, you know, putting someone down, no matter if it's on social media, text message or whatever, you never, ever do it. What if that was your child? What if that was like happening to you? You know, those are the things I think about. [00:22:49] Speaker A: I. I'm going to write this down because I loved it. And I think that we should teach all of our children. What you decide is the right decision was the one that was your decision. [00:23:02] Speaker B: Yep. [00:23:03] Speaker A: I think that's a critical piece to remind our kids of. You know, we may change our minds. We still do it as adults. We're influenced by so many things, but you have to feel right about it in your own gut. Right. And your heart has to feel okay with whatever those decisions are also. And so you're right. Exactly what you said. The right decisions are your decisions. [00:23:27] Speaker B: I always, I always want them to consider other people. Absolutely. No matter what. You have to consider other people, but you also have to protect yourself. So that is. That is something I have struggled with my entire life is like the people pleasing and the going out of your way to. To make other people feel comfortable when in fact you're destroying. You're the person that you should always be protecting. I always live by that. I want, I hope to God that they. They do the same thing. And it's tough, it's not easy. You're not gonna have the right answers literally ever. But all you can do is repeat yourself. And so hopefully someday along down the road, it all clicks. But. But yeah, I. I truly believe that. [00:24:18] Speaker A: Somewhere, somewhere around 40 plus, we start to outgrow that people pleasing a little bit and we start to stop making ourselves uncomfortable to make other people comfortable. That does happen. There is a shift in our life. I know it. [00:24:35] Speaker B: I know that's so true because I'm. I'm 39 and it's coming. Oh yeah. It's right in my. It's right there. [00:24:45] Speaker A: So. [00:24:46] Speaker B: I know, but it's funny that you're saying this because this weekend, tomorrow I was supposed to go away on a business trip, but that got canceled. Then tomorrow I. So now I can go away with my friend group. Okay. Overnight. I don't want to. I'm not. I'm not a person that loves to be away from my husband unless I have to be for work or whatever. But I have to keep asking myself, do you really want to do this? It's going to be fun to be so fun. What do you want to do? I'm going to meet up with them and I'm going to see where the night goes. Because I don't want to make a decision about overnight. I don't. You know what I mean? It's funny because it. [00:25:31] Speaker A: It. [00:25:31] Speaker B: Those things start to become a lot easier. [00:25:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Your ability to say no and stand confident in your own decisions don't come at 16 years old. They don't come in your 20s. And your 30s are a mess anyways. And 40, for sure. Around 40, you start to prioritize yourself. You start to realize what's important and can feel confident in your own decisions. And I think when we're talking about teenagers showing that example of, like, how you're making that decision for yourself and how it's different than the rest of the people that are going there to spend the night, and you're kind of like, hey, I'm not sure if I'm going to yet. Feeling it out, make that decision is a prime example for your children to say, like, hey, they can do that too, and they can feel comfortable doing it. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Heck, yeah. I'm always honest with that. [00:26:23] Speaker A: Yeah, that's amazing. [00:26:45] Speaker B: Sam.